Connecting Local Politics

Hong Kong people lost confidence

2005-03-11T12:15:39-08:00

Interview with Emily Lau by Australian Broadcasting Corporation reporter Mark Colvin

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MARK COLVIN: What next for Hong Kong, now that its chief executive Tung Chee-Hwa has ended the speculation and admitted that he is stepping down?

Tung Chee-Hwa has led Hong Kong since the handover from Britain to China in 1997.

For at least the last couple of years he's been doing so despite considerable and vocal opposition from many who saw him as much too close to Beijing, and not close enough to the people of Hong Kong itself.

His likely successor is the man who's been working as Mr Tung's deputy, the Chief Secretary Donald Tsang.

He's popular, but there's speculation that Beijing has its doubts about him.

Emily Lau leads the pro Democracy Frontier Party, and a short time ago I asked her about Tung Chee-Hwa's departure.

EMILY LAU: I think the Hong Kong people found it very frustrating to have a Chief Executive who acts like a lackey of Beijing, always there to second-guess the wishes of the masters up there and of course the wishes of a few tycoons who helped to put him in to office.

And time and time again, when people express their views on various issues, they were inevitably brushed aside, and of course culminating in a huge march on July 1st of 2003, when Mr Tung tried to bulldoze legislation on national security, through the Legislative Council.

People wanted democracy, but Mr Tung did not help to convey such wishes to Beijing, instead he helped Beijing to suppress the demands here, and hence we had another big march on July 1st last year.

So, I think people have lost patience, lost confidence in Tung and he had stayed on for far too long.

MARK COLVIN: In that sense, do you think that it's a victory for people power?

EMILY LAU: To a certain extent I think you can say that, definitely.

I mean put it the other way, if he had been performing well, he wouldn't have stepped down, and I think that the central Government also recognised that he is very much a liability.

But, the disturbing thing that's facing us now is the aftermath. It seems that now that Beijing has lost confidence in some of the people here, so they are moving in thick and fast to micro-manage everything.

Previously, maybe they were pulling strings from behind the scenes. Now, they are moving centre-stage.

MARK COLVIN: So you've lost Tung Chee-Hwa, but you're not necessarily going to get a more democratic leadership?

EMILY LAU: Not at all, in fact, I think we are taking a big retrograde step, because they are managing everything.

And so, Hong Kong people have been reduced, to just being disinterested bystanders.

MARK COLVIN: Does it matter to Hong Kong people?

There's a cynical view that says that Hong Kongers, what they really care about is economic growth, and if they've got that, democracy takes a backseat.

EMILY LAU: That's not true. Last year, in April last year, Beijing has already decided that Hong Kong cannot have democratic elections in the year 2007 and 2008, but then a few months later, more than half a million people turn out to march and you know, although Beijing has already said no, they still said, 'Yes, we want democracy.'

MARK COLVIN: But you still didn’t get a majority in the elections of course.

EMILY LAU: No, because the system was against us. So we want to change the system.

MARK COLVIN: So you say it's essentially, there's a gerrymander?

EMILY LAU: Yes, well, it's a system which only allow a very small handful of people to elect some members.

In some cases it's not even people, it's companies. One company, one vote, one bank, one vote, one transport company, one insurance company, one vote. I mean, how ludicrous!

Anyway, now with the departure of Tung, we would like to urge the central Government, to have some confidence in the Hong Kong people, because we are not trying to make Hong Kong independent, we are not trying to turn it into a base to subvert the Communist Party, but we want to have a high degree of autonomy.

It seems the central Government has learned nothing from the disaster of C.H Tung, and if so, we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes!

MARK COLVIN: What if they put in Donald Tsang, who's been a very respected and quite popular civil servant?

Will that calm your fears at all?

EMILY LAU: No, not at all. If Donald Tsang is going to be anointed to office and owe his support to Beijing and a few tycoons, he's going to act like C.H Tung all over again?

MARK COLVIN: So, what do you want and what is practicable to do, given that the Chinese in Beijing, presumably don't want the rest of the country looking at Hong Kong and saying well, we'd like some of that democracy too.

EMILY LAU: Well, a few weeks ago, nobody would've predicted that Mr Tung would step down, so, let's not talk about what is practicable, what is possible.

We will have to try and convince Beijing that Hong Kong is ready for democracy. That's what we want, we want the power to elect the Chief Executive, maybe Donald will still get elected. So be it, but he would behave very differently, if he were elected by the people at large, rather than handpicked by a few powerful people.

MARK COLVIN: Emily Lau, the leader of the pro-democracy, Frontier Party, in Hong Kong.

China leaves Hong Kong in limbo over leader's resignation

2005-03-03T01:48:53-08:00

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China's decision to remove Hong Kong leader Tung Chee-hwa leaves the former British colony in limbo and raises questions about the territory's much-vaunted autonomy, analysts and commentators said.

Hong Kong newspapers all announced Wednesday that Tung would be stepping down as chief executive this month, but Tung as well as the Hong Kong and Chinese governments have refused all comment.

China's handling of Tung's resignation more than two years before his term was due to expire was criticised in Hong Kong, which returned to Chinese rule in 1997 under a system allowing the city a high degree of autonomy.

The South China Morning Post newspaper said the issue posed questions about Hong Kong's civil and economic freedoms, protected in the Basic Law mini-constitution under which the capitalist enclave returned to China.

"(This) could cast a shadow over the One Country, Two Systems concept," the paper said in an editorial.

"If the central government effectively removes him from office, we will be further away from the idea of 'Hong Kong people ruling Hong Kong'."

Christine Loh, convenor of independent think-tank Civic Exchange, described events as "Chinese political theatre at its most fascinating".

"Nothing is what it seems. There is little transparency and accountability," Loh said in her daily newsletter.

Under the terms of the 1997 handover from Britain, the free-wheeling capitalist enclave of seven million people on the southern Chinese coast was allowed to run its own affairs for a period of 50 years.

Commentators complained the news blackout and secretive handling of Tung's resignation was typical of a totalitarian state, not a modern capitalist society.

"This is what happens when you have a cockamamie system," broadcaster and pundit Steve Vines said on RTHK radio. "Nobody here is consulted, nobody is in the loop. It's no way of running (things)."

A senior Hong Kong government source said all news about Tung's future would come from the Chinese leadership.

"This has always been in China's hands -- they are his boss," said the source. "The news will come from them."

Newspapers Wednesday reported that Tung would step down citing ill health and stress.

They said he had offered to quit many times during his eight gaffe-prone years clouded by economic recessions, huge rows over democratic reform, policy woes and perceived interference by Beijing.

Christine Loh wondered whether the delay in China's confirmation indicated there had been squabbles over the terms of Tung's retirement.

"For someone in Tung's position to go, there has to be some negotiations on terms," she said. "The delay may signify negotiations have not been completed."

The delays served to highlight the failings of Tung's rule, she said.

"The danger in keeping silent for much longer is that it will be perceived as another crisis of governance ... except this time it will affect Beijing's handling of Hong Kong affairs."

Senior politicians have been left guessing when Tung might go. Cabinet member Selina Chow told reporters to wait 48 hours for news while pro-Tung legislator Ma Lik said they should hold on for a week.

Tung's possible early exit has been mooted since 2003 when his government was plunged into crisis after more than 500,000 people took to the streets to protest proposed anti-subversion laws proposed by China.

His position was further weakened last year by a bruising battle with pro-democracy groups over the timing of democratic reforms. Another half million people marched through the streets in July 2004 to demand universal suffrage to elect Tung's successor in 2007.

His tenure reached its nadir in December when Tung and his cabinet were given a public dressing down by Chinese President Hu Jintao for their poor performance.

Copyright © 2005 Agence France Presse

Election Stock Market Opens Feb. 1, 2005 for Trading on the British Columbia Election

2005-02-28T15:55:00-08:00

Vancouver - The UBC Election Stock Market (UBC-ESM) at the Sauder School of Business opens February 1, for trading on the May 17, 2005, British Columbia Provincial Election.

Operated during various Canadian federal and B.C. provincial elections since 1993, the UBC-ESM is an online, real-time market where the “shares” (or contracts) being traded are based on the outcome of an election. Past UBC ESMs have accurately predicted the outcome, within a few seats held, of the 2001 B.C. Provincial Election and 2000 and 1997 Federal Elections. This year the British Columbia provincial election and the referendum on electoral reform will be the focus of the stock market.

Participants in the stock market invest their own funds to buy and sell financial contracts representing the political parties, and in addition, bear the risk of losing money as well as earning profits.

“Election stock markets, like the UBC-ESM, have proven themselves capable of predicting with great accuracy the results of elections in Canada, the United States and elsewhere,” says Professor Tom Ross, Director of the Phelps Centre for the Study of Government and Business and Co-Director of the UBC-ESM. “Markets such as this are successful, in part because they capture the opinions of a geographically diverse electorate, through the traders. The fact that they have invested their own real money provides motivation to the traders who can earn profits or lose money depending on their success at predicting the political parties’ fortunes.”

Four markets will operate during the lead-up to the B.C. provincial election: a “Seats Market,” a “Popular Vote Market,” a “Majority Government Market,” and an “Electoral Reform Referendum Market.”

The UBC-ESM operates on a not-for-profit basis, with the results of the market contributing to research and teaching at UBC on market and trader behaviour. The minimum deposit required to open an account is $25.00, and the maximum amount that may be invested is $1,000.00 per account. At the close of the market, participants’ portfolios are repurchased by the UBC-ESM at prices determined by the election results. Individual traders will earn profits or bear losses depending upon whether the final values of their portfolios exceed or are lower than their initial investments.

PLEASE NOTE: The Election Stock Market will be open from February 1, 2005 at 12 a.m. PST to May 16, 2005 at 11 p.m. PST. Individuals will not be able to open accounts until after the market opens at 12 a.m. on February 1, 2005.

To open an account, or to watch the results, visit http://esm.ubc.ca./BC05/index.php

Visual Arts: Identity’s Points of Origin

2005-02-24T14:15:00-08:00

Vancouver exhibitions illuminate our sense of place and deep ties to faraway countries

A strong element of our Pacific Rim identity informs this visual-arts season. Established and emerging artists, either based in or with cultural ties to Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Vietnam, appear in a number of solo and group exhibitions. Rising young artists of European descent are also commanding critical and curatorial attention. And, filling out the spring picture: our enduring attachment to forms and ideas of landscape.

Read more of Robin Laurence's article here

Local TV news short on politics

2005-02-22T13:24:43-08:00

By David Bauder, Associated Press

Despite its windfall from political advertising last fall, local TV news in 11 major markets spent little time covering local politics, a new study has concluded.

More than 90 percent of newscasts examined last fall had no news about campaigns for the House of Representatives, local or state governments. They devoted eight times the amount of coverage to people injured in accidents, said the Lear Center Local News Archive.

"If you want to get on local news, it's easier to be in a freak accident than to run for local office,'' said Marty Kaplan, professor at the University of Southern California's Annenberg School, which worked with the University of Wisconsin on the study. Researchers looked at all the evening and late-night newscasts in 11 cities for the 29 days before the Nov. 2, 2004 election.

The study is being released today in Washington by the Lear Center, which has encouraged local television news to be more aggressive in covering politics. Their findings this time mirror similar studies done in 2000 and 2002.

Local stations took in an estimate $1.6 billion in political advertising in 2004, according to the Alliance for Better Campaigns. That more than doubles the $770 million the stations got four years earlier.

More than half of those local news broadcasts contained a story on the Bush-Kerry presidential race, compared to 8 percent that had a local political story.

One reason local political races may be avoided is the broad geographic reach of some stations. A New York City station, for example, may not want to risk spending two minutes on a Brooklyn race for fear of turning off viewers in Manhattan or New Jersey.

"That's a challenge,'' said Barbara Cochran, president of the Radio and Television News Directors Association. "It isn't to say you don't do that, but it's a challenge.''

Cochran also noted that a vast majority of local races are not particularly competitive.

Kaplan agreed it was a challenge to cover these races, but that local stations have promised to do so in order to get their licenses to operate.

The time spent on the presidential race may have also taken time away from local races, he said. While national news broadcasts and cable news are also outlets for presidential news, there's usually no other TV outlet for the local stories.

Since there are many viewers who watch local newscasts and don't read a newspaper or watch national news, it's important for those stations to keep on top of the presidential race, Cochran said.

The study also appeared to give no credit to stations like those in Seattle that sponsored candidate debates because they weren't shown within the newscasts, she said.

In U.S. Senate races, the amount of time spent on commercials outnumbered that for actual campaign news by a 17-to-1 ratio, the study said.

As with many national newscasts, the study criticized the stations for spending more time on campaign strategy than issues. But it said the stations did a generally good job in informing viewers where to vote and if there were any polling problems.

The markets included in the study were New York; Los Angeles; Philadelphia; Dallas; Seattle; Miami; Denver; Orlando; Tampa; Dayton, Ohio; and Des Moines, Iowa.

Two Pro-China Parties Announce Merger

2005-02-16T23:33:22-08:00

Beijing Pins Hope On Merger

The mainland hopes that merger of the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment of Hong Kong (DAB) and the Hong Kong Progressive Alliance (HKPA) will consolidate its grip on the Election Committee which will elect the next chief executive in 2007.

According to a source, the mainland's Central Liaison Office has welcomed the merger of the two parties.

In the short term, Monday's merger will also been seen as an attempt by Beijing to use the influence of two groups to ensure a favorable Election Committee selection.

There are now 800 members on the committee. The government is still considering proposals that will either enlarge the group or maintain the status quo. A decision will have to be reached some time this year as voting for the committee begins next year.

The pro-democrat camp had 120 members in the last committee and Beijing wants to make sure they do not enlarge their representation.

``It is urgent to set the scene by strengthening our [DAB] political muscle first. Next year will see the election for the Election Committee,'' a DAB core member who declined to be named said. ``We [the pro-Beijing camp] should start preparing now.

``The merger will give us greater influence in the Election Committee and hence make us the kingmakers.''

Central Liaison officials, who helped to form the Hong Kong Progressive Alliance in 1994, also felt obliged to install a strong united front locally to support the Beijing-backed SAR government.

It is believed the Central Liaison Office approached the DAB leadership last year about a possible merger with the HKPA after the latter failed to win a seat in Legco and appeared to be a political party on the verge of extinction. At the same time, the DAB became the biggest political party in the 60-seat Legislative Council with 12 seats.

The merger also coincides with the long-term wish of the DAB to transform itself from a political party for the grassroots to one that represents a wide cross-section of Hong Kong.

The HKPA comprises deputies in the National People's Congress as well as representatives in the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference and claims to represent pro-Beijing professionals.

The merger will also put the DAB in a stronger position to recommend party members.

Copyright 2005, The Standard

Buy Blue

2005-02-16T15:20:00-08:00

Why was BuyBlue.org started?

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Happy Chinese New Year - Year of Rooster

2005-02-07T20:10:00-08:00

The Chinese New Year Day is on February 9th, 2005. The Year 2005 (Rooster) is the 4702nd Chinese year. Most Chinese believe that the first king of China was the Yellow King (he was not the first emperor of China). The Yellow King became king in 2697 BC, therefore China will enter the 4702nd year on February 4th, 2005.

Ran into an article with Chinese horoscope predictions for the coming year:

Rooster tends to be overconfident and is prone to come up with nonsensical plans. Politics will adhere to hard-line policies. The diplomatic scene will be dominated by philosophical orators who rave a lot about nothing. Governments will be found flexing their muscles at each other, but just for show. There may be no real confrontations. It is just that everyone will be too occupied with himself to hear or care what the other person is saying.

Best wishes for those of us involved with politics in 2005.

Works by Deborah McCarroll

2005-02-04T21:26:33-08:00

Deb is having her exhibition this weekend at the Pike Place Market.

Take a look at her abstract series and write a comment

Canada, Here They Come...

2005-02-04T00:43:14-08:00

By Andrew Buncombe

At their home in a comfortable, quiet Seattle suburb, Mike Teller and his partner Bob Vesely will not be cheering today. Indeed, while the celebratory thousands line the streets for the presidential inauguration 3,000 miles away in Washington, D.C., Teller and Vesely will think of their future and the greener pastures they believe await them. They'll be thinking of escape.

The clue to their getaway destination flies from a pole in front of their house - a Canadian flag. "We used to fly the US flag, but we changed it to a Canadian flag at the start of the Iraq war," says Vesely, 45, an IT manager. "It was our protest."

If the couple get their way, before too long they will be swapping the stars and stripes for the red and white maple leaf pennant - formally known as the National Flag of Canada - that now flutters in the breeze outside their home. Having toyed with the idea for many months, Teller and Vesely recently decided to leave the US and move to Canada. They made their decision on the morning of 3 November, the day after the American presidential election ensured that George Bush, rather than the Democratic candidate John Kerry, would be taking the oath of office on the western edge of the Capitol building later today.

And they are not alone. Even before the election, there were many people vowing that they would leave the country if President Bush was re-elected. In the aftermath of November's result, which many Democrats and progressives can still barely believe, large numbers of disgruntled, disaffected and simply fed-up Americans began focusing in earnest on a better, brighter life north of the border. Teller and Vesely have hired an immigration lawyer and sent off their applications.

The process of becoming a Canadian citizen takes at least two years, and at the moment the authorities in Ottawa say it is impossible to estimate how many US citizens are currently applying. What is certain is that the re-election of George W. Bush, along with what many perceive as an attendant shift to the right in America's cultural and political environment, has led many desperate Americans to enquire as to how they might get out of Dodge.

"It's a little early to say how many people have applied, but we do know there was a lot of interest in our internet site," says Maria Iadinardi of Canada's office of Citizenship and Immigration. "On 3 November, there were 115,628 visits from the US, and the day after there were half that number. We usually get 20,000 a day. It was three weeks before it went back down."

This isn't the first time Canada has emerged as a refuge for Americans who find themselves out of step with the direction their country is taking. Between 1970 and 1976, when the US was riven by disagreements over the Vietnam War, between 16,000 and 25,000 US citizens moved to Canada every year. The average, in more normal times, is between 5,000 and 6,000. Iadinardi points out that a click on a website is not the same as actually moving to Canada, and her office usually sees increased interest whenever a country undergoes a shift. "Now, after the tsunami in Asia, we have seen an increase in visits to our site," she says.

Still, there is certainly a feeling - if only based on anecdotal evidence - that a considerable northward migration is under way. Newspaper columnists in Canada are beckoning to disgruntled Americans; websites have been set up to help people thinking of moving; law firms are holding "Move to Canada" seminars in big cities; and even the smallest, dot-on-the-map places north of the border are anticipating an influx of US citizens. An advert placed in alternative US weekly newspapers by a development group based in the South Kootenay region of British Columbia is typical of the mood. It says: "Escape the Madness. Visit. Relocate. Immigrate."

People are heading north for different, often specific reasons. Teller and Vesely say the Bush administration's opposition to gay marriage, and the president's support of a constitutional amendment to ban formal recognition of such relationships, have made them feel like "outcasts." Also, they oppose the war in Iraq and don't support Bush's environmental policies, his go-it-alone approach to foreign affairs, and his snubbing of the United Nations.

Charles Key, a 56-year-old Vietnam veteran from Bellingham, whose ancestor Francis Scott Key wrote the lyrics to the US national anthem, "The Star-Spangled Banner," says he's leaving because his country is no longer tolerant. "The land of the free and the home of the brave always meant to me that America was supposed to stand for freedom and diversity and tolerance. I don't think it does that any more," he told a reporter.

Some of those planning to move highlight the increasing spread of Christianity in US society, eroding the traditional separation of church and state. Others are concerned about a general drift towards conservatism and away from liberal, progressive ideas. The one thing that appears to unite them is the shared belief that, in the second term of President George W. Bush, things are only going to get worse.

Another Seattle couple who won't celebrate today are Professor Frederick Neymeyer and his wife, Goebel. Neymeyer is the acting head of linguistics at the University of Washington, but this week he and his wife are househunting in Vancouver, a couple of hundred miles to the north in British Columbia. They, too, have spoken to lawyers, and are due to meet an accountant to find out how they can transfer their money to Canada.

"We are at the point of retirement and we want to move to a large, cosmopolitan city. Vancouver is more interesting than Seattle," says Neymeyer, 60. "Also, Canada appears to be moving in the opposite direction to the US. It is becoming more progressive, more tolerant. We're prepared to become Canadians."

Greg Pallas, 42, from Redwood City in California, has reasons other than politics to move north. His girlfriend Mariette is Canadian and the couple had always thought they would move to her home country. For Pallas, however, that desire greatly increased with Bush's re-election.

"It was 2 November that I decided," says Pallas, a financial analyst who has already sent off his paperwork to the Canadian authorities. "I can just see this country becoming more conservative. It's the religion thing. The country is moving to the right and becoming less tolerant."

For most people considering a life in Canada, the biggest uncertainty is whether they will find comparable jobs and lifestyles. Mike Teller is a zoologist at the Woodland Park Zoo in Seattle; whether he will be able to find such a position in Canada is unclear. Greg Pallas, a financial analyst, doubts that he will be able to find a similar post, with the same pay and benefits, in Canada. "The job is the main thing I think I will miss," he says. "My girlfriend is a teacher and should be able to get work. At the moment, we are saving money and I'm hoping it won't be so bad."

All this talk of a new future in Canada, a country which recognised gay marriage in December, and where there is a healthy suspicion of the Bush administration, implies that the good folk there are ready to welcome a flood of disgruntled Yanks. That might not be true - at least, not everywhere.

In November, when the talk of a mass migration to the north was at its height, disaffected Democrats who had just seen their man lose were given plenty to think about by Ian Robinson, a columnist with The Calgary Sun, who wrote: "I hope I'm not alone in gently suggesting to those considering coming to Canada: stay home, you pathetic whining maggots."

For the most part, however, the signs are more welcoming. Jason Mogus, director of a company called Communicopia, set up a website to help people considering the move and to point out that Canada has universal healthcare and no troops in Iraq, signed the Kyoto protocol on the environment and permits gay marriage - and that its senate recently recommended legalising cannabis.

The site, alternativecanada.com, adds: "We invite you to get to know Canada. Explore the richness and diversity of our regions. And find out why Canada is the perfect alternative for conscientious, forward-thinking Americans."

Most Americans who have already made the move to Canada - and there are up to one million now living there - appear to have only good things to say about their new home. The internet blogger Inspector Lohmann dedicates much of his website to details of his emigration from San Francisco to Toronto, a move he made last year. The inspector, who prefers to use his blog name, works in the film industry.

Lohmann, from New England, has no regrets. In one blog entry, he wrote: "When I crossed the border into Canada to begin a new life in a new country, I felt a tremendous weight lift from me. I felt free in a way I had never felt before. And I never looked back. I have not felt a single pang of regret, nor do I ever expect to. When I visit America now, I feel like a visitor in some alien land, and it's a great feeling."

Asked to sum up what is best about his new home, he says: "The best things about the move: leaving Murka [the US], loving Canada, loving Toronto, loving the change of seasons. No matter how bad my day is, I think to myself, 'I'm in Canada!' and suddenly I'm not so miserable anymore."

Of course, the road north isn't entirely straightforward. On top of the headaches of paperwork, as well as finding new homes, jobs, and friends, and all the rest, there is the sniping from proud red-state US citizens who cannot believe that any true American could conceive of leaving.

The vociferous, increasingly intolerant right-wing commentator Ann Coulter said recently on Fox News: "It's always the worst Americans who end up going [to Canada] - the Tories after the Revolutionary War, the Vietnam draft-dodgers after Vietnam. And now, after this election, you have the blue-state people moving up there. They better hope the United States doesn't roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we allow them to exist on the same continent."

To many people planning their move, such comments are merely another reason to get packing. As soon as they can.